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Summary

  • Since Philip Morris was spun out of Altria in 2008, both companies have chosen diverging paths to manage changes in the tobacco industry.
  • Philip Morris has suffered through serious foreign exchange headwinds since 2014, while its cigarette volume performance has turned negative.
  • Altria is facing its own challenges, in particular, the regulatory threats related to cigarette nicotine levels and menthol flavors.
  • The 2008 demerger of Philip Morris and Altria was a strategic mistake: time for a Marlboro re-merger.


This year marked the tenth anniversary of the separation between Altria (MO) and Philip Morris (PM). The de-merger of the Marlboro owner and its international branch was designed to insulate the growing international cigarette business from the extensive litigation suffered by its mature US parent company. Ten years on, it is becoming ever more clear that the separation was a strategic miscalculation. It's true that it has insulated Philip Morris International from US litigation, but it has also laid bare serious vulnerabilities at both Altria and Philip Morris. In this article, I will explain why a unified company would have been less vulnerable, and why it makes sense to re-merge Altria with Philip Morris.

In 2008, it was to be expected that Altria would be the smaller and slower growing of the two companies, while Philip Morris held promise for higher volume growth in the emerging markets of Eastern Europe, the Middle East, Africa, and Asia. The first years went more or less according to plan; Philip Morris booked steady volume gains and added the occasional acquisition, while Altria focused on squeezing as much value from the US business as possible, mostly through price increases on its cigarette products. Altria also diversified by buying the leading smokeless tobacco business in the United States, UST, in a deal announced in 2008.

The first company to show signs of a potential weakness that was not given due consideration prior to the separation was Philip Morris. As a US company with its headquarters in New York, Philip Morris reports its earnings in US dollars and pays its dividends in dollars, yet it has very little dollar-based earnings. This exposes the company to currency fluctuations, which can be quite volatile, especially during times of economic distress. Starting in 2014, when the US central bank announced its intention to start tapering its quantitative easing programs, first implemented in the aftermath of the 2008-2009 financial crisis, the US dollar started its steady ascent against most other currencies.

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4228988-altria-philip-morris-case-marlboro-merger







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  • 舊討論區關於菸草的資料:http://mikeon88.freebbs.tw/viewthread.php?tid=37491&extra=page%3D1&page=2
  • 分析說當初分拆業務是錯誤決定,小弟到覺得當初分拆MO跟PM是對的,受制於美國越趨嚴格的FDA要求,美國煙草業務其實存在一定風險,MO 在 2008年3月分拆出 PM,1股 MO 可以分到1股 PM,對原本的股東而言等於是風險分散。現在PM的減害菸在非美國地區發展得不錯,以iQOS(加熱不燃燒菸草製品)(加熱不燃燒菸草製品起步晚於電子菸,但目前來看發展前景優於電子菸)來說,PM就是用日本的銷售實績來說服美國政府讓其iQOS可在美國販賣,等於是MO不用花大錢研發就可以獲得PM研發成果。
  • 分析師說PM因美金升值導致量縮,菸貴了雖然會導致消費者抽得少,但看看他的盈再表,還是很賺錢啊!再者即便重新合併了,美國越趨嚴格的FDA要求&匯率問題還是會遇到阿,問題還是沒解決阿,這分析師寫得...
  • 關於PM的扣稅率上次有請教嘉信客服,PM的銷售因不在美國,他的扣稅率也不是30%,剛剛算了一下約0.9%

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想買MO了...IQOS在美國亞特蘭大上市試水溫了...我身邊朋友人人不只一台...煙再貴...薪水再薄...照買

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MO不錯 前陣子隨著電子菸(Juul) 疑慮陸續在40上下補了一些
最近川普針對電子菸有一些發言 可以做點研究
https://www.cmmedia.com.tw/home/articles/18733

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MO是入股JUUL, 但IQOS卻是PM的產品吧?這兩家是同的公司吧, 是我搞錯嗎?

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MO是負責萬寶路產品的美國銷售

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樓上兩位說得都對
MO之前由於電子煙被禁的可能性
導致他們在Juul上的投資可能會賠光
面臨可能的減計 股價大跌

於是後來PM授權MO在美國境內賣IQOS
加上川普對vaping態度突然有好的轉變
讓MO最近觸底反彈

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各位大大:

最近想要從MO及PM兩家選一家買進,看了二家盈再表後,有幾個問題想請教各位大大:
1.為何MO顯示的是ROE(股東權益報酬率),但PM顯示的是ROA(資產報酬率),可以解釋為PM的錢都是借來的,而非股東投資的嗎?或是可以解釋為PM的負債比例較高,較會做槓桿操作?
2.盈再表顯示MO淨值是3.4,但PM淨值是-7.4,這是跟產業特性有關嗎?但兩者應該算是同產業的吧?或是其它原因可以來解釋為何PM的淨值為負值。
3.MO及PM兩家的淑值都差不多是50左右,但目前兩家的股價差約一倍,看起來如果兩者要擇一進場應該是要選擇MO,但PM的市值比MO高,而且PM除了香菸,還是第二大食品製造商,所以如果是各位大大要選,會選MO還是PM?理由為何?


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NO need to think much.
Just buy these two great companies..

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預期報酬21% 跟10% 的老實說是「同一家公司」
當然是秒選21%
這兩家其實關係很密切 2019年一度傳出要合併
MO專注美國市場 PM則是非美地區

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